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  The WT has failed to explain fundamental doctrines

  by Kosonen in

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  sadly the wt failed to teach fundamental biblical doctrines.

  i did never really understand the doctrine about ransom while i was still in the congregation.. i did not either understand what it really means that "god is love" as stated in the bible.

  i did not either understand from the wt what is love.

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  Sea Breeze

  I meant for the whole last paragraph to apply to those under Watchtowerism, including the so-called anointed since they are double cursed under the stipulations of Gal. 1: 8-9

  You are referring to Romans 6: 7
  
  Note WT teaching here:
  
  

  Romans 6:7
  has been acquitted: Or “has been released (pardoned).” Lit., “has been justified.” The Greek word di·kai·oʹo used here is often rendered “to declare righteous.” The context shows that Paul was discussing spirit-anointed Christians alive at that time. They had been baptized into Christ Jesus and had received the valid prospect of heavenly life. However, in order to be anointed with holy spirit and accepted as spirit-begotten sons of God, they had to die figuratively to their former course of life as imperfect humans and have their sins forgiven by God. Then they could have human perfection imputed to them.

  So, first they agree that the death in Romans 6: 7 is figurative... which it is. But they they turn around and say the opposite:

  In discussing this with regard to anointed Christians, Paul was drawing on a fundamental truth. He knew that the penalty for Adam’s sin was death. (Ge 2:17) So Paul reasons that one who has died has been acquitted from sin because by means of his death, he has paid the full penalty for sin. At Ro 6:23, Paul says: “The wages sin pays is death.” So when a person has died, his sinful record no longer stands against him. And if it were not for Jesus’ sacrifice and God’s purpose to resurrect the person, he would never live again. Still, he would remain acquitted from sin, since God would not reexamine his case and then sentence him to further punishment.

  So, under WT teaching a person can also die physically, pay for their sins themselves, and still not be resurrected.
  
  All complete horse manure. The WT will never quote Hebrews 9: 27 which states that theere will be a judgement after you die.
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  The WT has failed to explain fundamental doctrines

  by Kosonen in

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  2. friends

  sadly the wt failed to teach fundamental biblical doctrines.

  i did never really understand the doctrine about ransom while i was still in the congregation.. i did not either understand what it really means that "god is love" as stated in the bible.

  i did not either understand from the wt what is love.

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  Sea Breeze

  I let myself in and delved into the library with the old written indexes. I looked up everything all about the ransom. Having read it all, I finally got it… Job done.

  I think the WT has explained The Ransom fairly well. They perfectly misrepresent what the Ransom actually is. It is obvious to me that what the WT tries to do with their doctrine of the Ransom is to bolster the idea of "corporateness", so that the great Christian doctrine of Substitution is obscured. Classic misdirection.

  Their story goes something like this: Sin resides in Adam. So, since you are from Adam you can't be resurrected. The idea of personal sins, ones you must personally account for is diminished and not addressed.

  So, in their teaching Jesus ransomed Adam, became the second Adam and now all you have to do is find the right religion that Jesus chose and presto.... you can get saved.
  
  But the reality is that :

  1. There will be a personal judgement AFTER you die. (Hebrews 9: 27) This why people need a personal Savior and not a corporate one
  
  2. Jesus offers to be a scape goat for you personally, become the sins you have committed, and die in your place, for your sins.
  
  For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Cor. 5 21) Jesus "substitutes" for the death due sinners, who accept the offer.

  It is a very generous offer.

  In Christianity, Jesus is offering to trade places with you, take the death penalty due you, and then afterwards, vicariously impute his righteousness (the state of being debt-free) to your account.
  

  
  By contrast, there is no freedom or relief from debt in Watchtowerism. There you have, to hop, skip and jump to the ever-changing whims and doctrines of men and devils. And, that's as good as it gets. There is still judgment and debt to pay for your sins after death.
  
  
  
  
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  Experiences with kiss up kick down Jehovahs witnesses

  by hoser in

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  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kiss_up_kick_down.

  i’ll go first.. in a previous congregation we had a pioneer couple that have since gone on to be gilead graduates and are now either in circuit work or translation.

  they checked all the boxes off the societies list so they were exemplary.

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  Sea Breeze

  Then they informed me that IF the lawsuit was not withdrawn I would be disfellowshipped.

  Wow. I didn't realize that a law suit on a business fraud would be a disfellowshipping offense. But, I guess it makes sense in their upside down world where victims typically get abused twice.
  
  
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  “This generation will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

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  for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.

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  Sea Breeze

  I just think that they can revise a lot of their history to suit their purposes, but 1914 is the one they just can't let go.

  Yep. The reason is because if they abandon 1914, they also abandon:

  1. The Gentile Times ending in 1914

  2. The establishment of the Millennium Kingdom in 1914

  These are the two main rationales for rejecting the New Covenant at the Memorial.
  
  If the Gentile Times are still going on and if Jesus hasn't begun ruling as King, then the New Covenant is still available to "whosoever".
  
  The sole purpose for the existence of the WT is to get people to willingly reject this covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28).
  
  Getting rid of 1914 would put their purpose in jeopardy. They will never abandon 1914 because they will NEVER open up the New Covenant to everyone.

  
  
  
  
  
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  The Genesis 3:15 woman.

  by Fisherman in

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  genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

  although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

  we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

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  Sea Breeze

  The woman mentioned in Genesis 3:15 is Eve. The serpent, addressed directly, is the animal that Satan used to deceive the woman. Some of the curse was directed at the animal (verse 14); at the same time, the curse of God falls upon Satan, who had taken the serpent’s form or body in Eden (cf. the dragon in Revelation 12:9)..... "THAT OLD SERPENT" (Rev. 20:2)
  
  As part of the curse, enmity—mutual hatred and ill will—will exist between the woman and the serpent. Later, the same enmity will continue between the woman’s seed or offspring (mankind in general, since Eve is the “mother of all living,” Genesis 3:20) and the serpent’s seed. Their offspring will remain enemies throughout all generations. The serpent’s (metaphorical) offspring are demonic forces and also those people who follow the devil and accomplish his will.

  Jesus called the Pharisees a “brood of vipers” in Matthew 12:34 and said they belonged to their “father, the devil” in John 8:44. In short, God says that Satan will always be the enemy of mankind. It follows that people who side with Satan will be at perpetual war with God’s elect and that we are engaged in a very real battle between good and evil (Ephesians 6:12).

  Men normally have the "seed". In Jesus' case, he is the only person born from the "seed of the the woman", since there was no male contributor of DNA.
  
  
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  What do the FREEMASONS really know about JEHOVAH

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/2nc7twdw_9sfreemasons including charles taze russell knew for a fact jehovah is not god's name ,they knew that jehovah is just an amalgamation of vowels of adonai and the consonants of the tetragramaton.

  it was common knowledge amongst freemasons prior to 1871 that not only jehovah is not god's name but it was created for the sole purpose of stopping people pronouncing god's real name.i will let that sink in for a moment.

  being in full knowledge of these facts makes you think what russell's true intentions were for creating jehovah's witnesses as a religion in the first place because as sure as hell it was not for promoting the divine name.many have tried to make the case over the years the russell was not a mason or if he was he was very poorly educated in the masonic doctrines but this is not the case , in fact if you spend some time reading his writings you realise that the exact opposite is true.he was so thoroughly versed in freemasonry that he was trying to create a cross bread between christianity and freemasonry, and thats what i think his true intentions were to take freemasonry to its next level of infiltration of the christian faith, he was an apostate for the freemasons but russell saw himself as the next albert pike,unfortunately that didn't work out for him and he ultimately paid the price...read the rest herehttps://tevangelinos.wixsite.com/jwupdates/post/what-do-freemasons-really-know-about-jehovah

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  Sea Breeze

  I guess the imminently astute and learned scholars of the KJV were in on the hoax too.
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  Still here.

  by Lee Marsh in

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  the last 2 1/2 years have been extremely stressful.

  while the rest of the world was dealing with covid, i was also dealing with cancer.

  in fact it seems none of my doctors knew about it.

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  Sea Breeze

  Glad to hear the good news!
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  Convention theme generator

  by Smiles in

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  do anyone here remember a now inactive webpage that would generate hypothetical convention themes?

  it may have been something like districtconventionthemegenerator.

  com.. this was from about 20 years ago.

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  Sea Breeze

  I hear there will be a gathering in heaven that the GB will attend called Divine Judgement. Not sure how many days it will last.
  
  
  
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  Does anyone else get “triggered” when somebody uses the word “triggered”?

  by slimboyfat in

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  what’s the world coming to?

  (i guess this makes me officially an older while male now ).

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  Sea Breeze

  What triggers me is when someone abuses the term: "At the end of the day..."
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  There is no virus

  by Ace1971 in

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  https://www.bitchute.com/video/g9oyegpar91l/.

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  Sea Breeze

  I got the J & J jab about 9 months ago. Last week I came down with a pretty nasty case of Covid. 104 degree fever , body aches etc. No respitory issues to speak of. I got the antibody treatment within 3 days of symptoms and started to improve immediately.
  
  I don't know what to think of the "vaccines".